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  • #16
    Originally posted by secrtwpn View Post
    I noted on your WIP that the end of the upper hull is sanded/ground down to thin it out to match the tailcone. Wouldn't this weaken the area where the screw goes to attach the upper hull?
    Yeah, a bit. But it's GRP, so it has the strength to resist tearing -- even in thin cross-section.

    David
    "... well, that takes care of Jorgenson's theory!"

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    • #17
      Another one......I noted from the photos on your WIP that the conning tower planes are operated on a separate servo. Is that correct?????

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      • #18
        Originally posted by secrtwpn View Post
        Another one......I noted from the photos on your WIP that the conning tower planes are operated on a separate servo. Is that correct?????
        Correct sir. Countering what many so-called r/c submarine 'experts' say, the smaller r/c submarines (and by that I include most of the 1/96 scale subjects) are well served to have practical, separately operated bow/sail planes. Those surfaces have little to no pitching moment and are used to drive the submarine up and down through their own force alone (OK, some arrangements do have some moment about the pitch axis, never mind that ... work with me here!) while maintaining a near zero-bubble

        The job of the stern planes is to effect pitch, not depth control. However, in a gross sense, those stern planes can and do work (as Mr. Holland would have it) to maintain or adjust depth by altering the hulls angle of attack about the pitch axis. Depth control by stern planes alone works, but ain't pretty.

        I like pretty.

        I use active bow/sail planes to maintain or make fine adjustments of depth (as Mr. Lake would have it). Put one of Kevin McLeod's depth-keepers between the receiver and bow/sail plane servo and you sit back and operate your r/c model submarine submerged without working the bow planes from the transmitter all the time.



        I've done that for my SWM KILO and with that gadget tending the planes all I have to do is tool around underwater and steer, and issue insults to my target-driving buddies as they operate their simple two-dimensional surface craft.

        Here's a typical linkage for sail mounted planes:





        Note the use of magnets to make up the pushrod to the sail-plane bell-crank. Zero backlash and this linkage forms an easy make/break connection.

        David
        "... well, that takes care of Jorgenson's theory!"

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        • #19
          Originally posted by He Who Shall Not Be Named View Post

          Correct sir. Countering what many so-called r/c submarine 'experts' say, the smaller r/c submarines (and by that I include most of the 1/96 scale subjects) are well served to have practical, separately operated bow/sail planes. Those surfaces have little to no pitching moment and are used to drive the submarine up and down through their own force alone (OK, some arrangements do have some moment about the pitch axis, never mind that ... work with me here!) while maintaining a near zero-bubble

          The job of the stern planes is to effect pitch, not depth control. However, in a gross sense, those stern planes can and do work (as Mr. Holland would have it) to maintain or adjust depth by altering the hulls angle of attack about the pitch axis. Depth control by stern planes alone works, but ain't pretty.

          I like pretty.
          I can agree on that.....some would try to talk me out of it (using the bow planes that is)......followed David’s advice.......in addition using them makes the sub dive without the prop braking the surface.
          Much prettier it is.

          A perfect visualization about the subject can be found Norbert Brüggen’s booklet “Technik Der U-boot Modelle / ISBN 3-88180-036-0, page 25.

          grtz,
          Bart




          Last edited by bwi 971; 12-20-2017, 05:45 PM.
          Practical wisdom is only to be learned in the school of experience.
          "Samuel Smiles"

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          • #20
            Originally posted by bwi 971 View Post

            I can agree on that.....some would try to talk me out of it (using the bow planes that is)......followed David’s advice.......in addition using them makes the sub dive without the prop braking the surface.
            Much prettier it is.

            A perfect visualization about the subject can be found Norbert Brüggen’s booklet “Technik Der U-boot Modelle / ISBN 3-88180-036-0, page 25.

            grtz,
            Bart



            Though (in typical German fashion) Norbert substantiates his statements with math and electronic theory, this book stands as the must-read for anyone wishing to better understand the physics involved in this game. We have Skip Asay; the Brit's have Ron Perrott; the Chinese have (gulp!) William Feng; and the EU has Norbert Brugen. Sparkplugs all.

            David
            "... well, that takes care of Jorgenson's theory!"

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            • #21
              I cannot speak to a smaller boat like the Blueback is, but my Skipjack the first two runs were without the sail planes working, just a small downward angle. It ran well. Now looking at what David did and connect it to Kevin's depth control is very cool. I did find that having a sail plane working was beneficial in performance, but not necessary.
              If you can cut, drill, saw, hit things and swear a lot, you're well on the way to building a working model sub.

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              • #22
                Are the shaft bearings glued in or attached by friction?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by secrtwpn View Post
                  Are the shaft bearings glued in or attached by friction?
                  The forward and after bearings are glued (CA) in place.









                  David
                  "... well, that takes care of Jorgenson's theory!"

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                  • #24
                    10-4. Thank you

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                    • #25
                      What type of battery do you recommend for the Blueback? Lipo? If, so stats on the battery. Thank you......

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